When even a Commonwealth is too Republican

One of the harder things to understand in Australian history is the almost pathological fear many had of republicanism. During the constitutional conventions of 1891 in Sydney, there was actually a debate over whether the word 'Commonwealth' was too Republican.
From April 1st, 1891 ;

Clause 1. This act may be cited as "The Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia."

Mr. MUNRO: I think that a very important question arises here as to the title of the federated colonies. I do not think that the committee succeeded in securing a happy title. It is a title with which we are not familiar, and a title which historically raises rather serious questions-questions that suggests a good deal of controversy in the minds of many people. Without taking up the time of the Committee, I beg to move:

That the word "commonwealth" be omitted with a view to insert in lieu thereof the words federated states."

I think that that will answer our purpose very much better, and will be more easily understood.

Sir JOHN DOWNER: Say "Federation"!

Mr. MUNRO: "Federated States" will properly convey our meaning.

Sir JOHN DOWNER: So will "Federation"!

Mr. MUNRO: If you merely say "Federation," that does not convey our meaning. Our meaning is that we are to be federated states, and for that reason I move this amendment.

After they debated about working after dinner, Deakin chimed in with his support for Commonwealth and that it was in no way republican;

Mr. DEAKIN: The word proposed has, like every other word that can be suggested, some disadvantages; but in the opinion of a majority of the committee, it possessed more advantages than any other name that was suggested. In the first instance, it is a distinctly English word, and a well known word. It is a title which has a pacific signification which, from the tone that has been taken in regard to the defence proposals in the measure, is an advantage. It indicates that the state is formed for a pacific purpose-for the common good of its people, for their common-weal. It is a name which has not yet been applied. It is not open to the objections which may be urged to such combinations as "federal states" or "united states," titles which have already been employed in one part of the world or another. It is an old word, but it is a new name as applied to a state. There is no existing state which is known as a commonwealth, although Great Britain is frequently referred to both by orators and political writers as a commonwealth; and the word has been already applied on occasions when speaking of Australia as a whole. It is, therefore, a word which I fancy we are justified in appropriating, and I trust that the Convention will not lightly change a word which was adopted after very full consideration by a majority of the committee, and that even those who may have some sentiment against the name will take full time to consider the objections that can be urged to any other title.

Sir JOHN DOWNER: It is quite true that a majority of the committee arrived at the conclusion that it would be expedient to make this new departure, and adopted a term which has not been usual in countries under a sovereignty.

Mr. DEAKIN: Oh, yes, it is usual in countries under sovereignty!

Sir JOHN DOWNER: Commonwealth is a very nice word indeed, but it is very important to recollect, as the hon. member, Sir Henry Parkes, pointed out at a somewhat early stage of the proceedings, that we have to consider, not only the technical meaning of the law, but also the popular understanding of the law, and the popular understanding of the word "commonwealth" is certainly connected with republican times .

Mr. DEAKIN: No!

Sir JOHN DOWNER: It is, in my opinion, connected with republican times, and it is certainly disconnected with that loyalty which we all, I am sure, not only profess, but very honestly feel towards the Crown .

Emphasis in italics are mine.

Mark McKenna explains in The Captive Republic that the dispute was over whether the Commonwealth was sufficiently connected with England's glorious phase of history or whether it meant the exclusion of monarchy. As McKenna notes, between 1891 and 1897 the dominant colonies continued to debate the meaning of the word Commonwealth and whether it meant the acceptance of monarchism, Cromwellism or republicanism.

The discussion continued;

Mr. DEAKIN: The most glorious period of England's history!

Mr. CLARK: Hear, hear!

Dr. COCKBURN: Was it under the Crown?

Mr. DEAKIN: There was then no Crown!

Sir JOHN DOWNER: It may have been the most glorious period; but as my hon. friend, Mr. Baker, says, it certainly was not the union under the Crown, which we are all of us most desirous of bringing about at the present time. I do not think that in the initiation of this matter we should mix up two conflicting propositions-one that we are thoroughly loyal, and the other that we are going to adopt in our very initiation a title which is certainly connected with ideas other than those which are strictly loyal. I do not much like the word which has been proposed in the place of the word "commonwealth."

Despite Playford's attempts to describe Commonwealth as meaning common weal as described by Shakespeare, but Downer would have none of it. Wright then argued that Commonwealth was chosen for its aesthetic pleasure rather than its meaning;

Mr. WRIGHT: The hon. member, Mr. Deakin, in speaking just now, said the word "commonwealth" had a special signification. I agree with the hon. member; but I think it is anything but a savoury signification, and that it is, therefore, altogether an improper word to use. It appears to have been assented to by many members of the committee for aesthetic reasons rather than for any other.

Mr. PLAYFORD: The hon. member evidently believes in the glorious memory of Charles I!

Mr. WRIGHT: And it is possible that there are certain members who have in their mind's eye a future Oliver Cromwell, who would say, "Take away that bauble," meaning by the bauble the allegiance we owe to her Majesty the Queen and the United Kingdom of Great Britain. I think the question might be solved by striking out the word "Commonwealth," and by merely leaving the words "Constitution of Australia." We are proud to consider ourselves by birth or by adoption citizens of this great country, and I therefore think my suggestion would meet the views of a majority of members of the Convention.

Barton then sums up the case for Commonwealth;

Mr. BARTON: I do not know that there is much necessity for me to address the Committee, because I am satisfied with all that the hon. member, Mr. Playford, has said. But I rise chiefly for the purpose of referring to the suggestion of the hon. member, Mr. Wright, that the title "Commonwealth" has an unsavoury signification.

How that can be I do not know.

If we are to be frightened away from the use of any proper word, or the expression of any proper idea, from the fact that it has been usurped or perhaps misused by others who have gone before us, we shall be deterred from doing a great deal we ought to do.

If there are those who think that, under the great Protector whose name, as we live longer to understand history, will always be more venerated among English-speaking people-the process of republicanism as associated with the title given to the English body politic under him was inimical to the common-weal, and who think that on that account we ought to depart from the title, I would remind them that it was a name inherent in the minds of Englishmen long before that time.

If any hon. member thinks, however, that such a reason should be sufficient to prohibit us from using a title which absolutely designates all that we desire to designate then as we go through this bill I am afraid we shall find ourselves rapidly denuding it of some of its best features.

There can be nothing unsavoury in a title which means, according to the best authority, "the nation, state, realm, the commonwealth"-the word being interposed between "realm" and "republic," showing that it is used to signify the common good and that it has that signification whether under a queen or a republic.

"Nation, state, realm, commonwealth, republic, commonweal, nationality." The words used by Roget as synonymous are among others "national" and "public." If these are the expressions associated by the highest authorities with the word commonwealth, why seek better?

Shall we take confederation or federation?

I will not give all the words which are stated as synonymous, because some of them express almost too much; but we find these, "league, alliance, coalition, confederacy, confederation." These are not altogether what we wish to express, because we know that although we have, embodied the operation of federal action in this commonwealth, still we seek to constitute a national government for national purposes.

Our purposes of government may be national while we preserve the utmost loyalty to the monarch whom the constitution sets over us. As the hon. member, Sir George Grey, has expressed it, we have constituted the Queen a member, and the highest member, of our parliament.

The association of the Queen with the action of the commonwealth is distinct, and is firmly embedded in the whole bill.

If that is done, there can be no association of the idea of republicanism with this bill.

However appropriate the name "commonwealth" may be to a republic, it has been clearly shown from the quotations made by the hon. member, Mr. Playford, from Shakespeare to be associated in the minds of Englishmen with government for the public good-with government for the people-and as it so expresses in itself the very essence of government for the good of the people, and because we cannot suggest anything else which expresses the idea in one word, I hope we shall retain this name, and I believe that if we do, we shall all live to be proud of it.

Again emphasis mine. The Ayes were 26 and the Noes numbered 13. The Ayes included Deakin, Barton, Griffiths, Parkes, Playford. The Noes included Downer, Munro, Wright and Dibbs.

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Australian or Austral-Asian Federation

New Zealand and Fiji were involved in the original conventions for federation. New Zealand ultimately backed out due to the concern that a unified army based in Australia would not be able to defend New Zealand promptly enough, but also the worry that their main form of government income, customs, which comprised one-third of all receipts, would be lost to a federal government. However Captain Russell's speech at the 1891 convention points to a rising distrust of centralism in New Zealand.

From the 1891 Constitutional Conventions ;

I have been listening, as a representative of a remote part of Australasia, for the true federal spirit. It has been supposed that the federal spirit does not exist in New Zealand. I venture to say, without hesitation, that in any debate in New Zealand on the question of federation, we should have heard more of Australasia and less of Australia.

It is a broad question that we are here to deliberate upon, and as I am now only filling a gap of five minutes, and have most distinguished colleagues to follow me, I am unable to enter upon the different subjects at the length I should wish; but the great question that we have before us now is not the creation of one large colony on the continent of Australia, but to endeavour so to frame a constitution that all parts of Australasia shall be able to attach themselves to it should they now or hereafter think fit to do so.

It is perfectly true that New Zealand has decided to send but three delegates to this Convention; but I would point out that, at the deliberations of the conference last year, though nothing was affirmed on the subject, it was held by all the speakers that in all probability the voting at the Convention would take place by colonies, and if that is the case surely the voice of three men expressed in one vote might in itself be held to have as much effect as the voice of a host, inasmuch as it would be the still small voice of a strong feeling, and not the loud popular clamour which so often means nothing at all.

The great question that Australasia has to consider at this moment is whether Australasia will constitute herself the mother state to which all the other peoples in the neighbourhood shall attach themselves. There are many questions of great importance which hinge on that, and which have not been alluded to in this resolution, and which could not have been alluded to by any of the previous speakers.

The great object of any federal constitution, according to my mind, at any rate-I speak for myself-the great desideratum should be to so frame a constitution that the remoter portions of Australasia should be able to join themselves on to what we may term the mother colony, should they think fit so to do.

holdenrepublic: Australian union: Interesting, this hasn\'t been reported at all over this side of the Tasman.
cam: I bet it hasn\'t: what purpose does NZ need from Au other than for Au to keep its economy open and continue to open its labor market. Looks like the Au media is starting to ask NZ politicians about it - rejection

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holdenrepublic: Huh: Huh, they interviewed Winston Peters... that\'s pretty funny. Note his charactaristic attack on the media (trying to generate headlines, etc), and a stolen quote (from NZ statesman Sir John Hall).

You\'re right. One of our former PMs, Sir Geoffrey Palmer, basically said the whole point of our trade and defense agreements (CER and CDF) was to give New Zealand the advantages of being an Aussie state without actually becoming one. Makes sense to me.
cam: Australian Federation: was for the purpose of unified defence and to stop NSW and Victoria leveraging tariffs on each other. Unfortunately for NSW it was the sole free-trade state, all the rest were protectionist. Australian defence is strong enough that NZ is in a benign region and cant skimp on defence spending. Plus the economies are pretty open and the labor markets are more open that between other nation-states. NZ also has stable government - there is absolutely no reason why NZ would say yes to something like this.

It is political (and ethnic) romanticism from Canberra.

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cam: ... and cant skimp on defence spending.: should read\' \"and CAN skimp on defence spending.\"

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avocadia: Skimping: It was only a few years ago that NZ retired its Air Force, wasn\'t it? I seem to remember a kerfuffle amongst Australian blowhards about how Australia would be expected to provide air defence for New Zealand in case of attack; something I thought was the entire point of ANZUS - and other treaties - anyway.
holdenrepublic: Defence: Well, that\'s also true. It\'s pretty unfair on our part IMHO.

The interesting thing is that a number of NZers (a small minority) think that should NZ become a state of Aus, we\'d be spared the reconciliation process we\'re going through regarding the Treaty of Waitangi (the Treaty between Maori and the British, from 1840). Pretty extreme measure really, and one with not that much support.
cam: Canada does exactly the same thing: and if Indonesia gave Australia a benign neighbourhood Australian defence spending would drop to 1.2% GDP too. It is what nations do, they only spend heavily on defence if they are threatened or are the current empire (or challenging for empire).

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cam: Defence Treaties: are supposed to be might in numbers to any foe as well as leveraging an allies military might in defence of the weaker country. ANZUS is a bit different though, it was a commitment by American to defend Australian water in WWIII so that Australian troops would remain in the Middle East to fight the Soviets. It was an anti-Curtin treaty lol.

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Mark Hill: I have some well and poorly thought out ideas: on this issue. Somewhat of a schematic, politically centralist, economic rationalist idea on how to go about this, with strong flavourings of Americanisms and participatory democracy. Would you like to discuss this more?
cam: If you want to start exploring those issues: now that you have an account on SSR you can start publishing diaries and articles here. Diaries tend to be jots, or notes, say under 500 words; while articles tend to be more meaty. You can see the links on the right hand side of the page.

As you are aware SSR focuses on constitutional, legislative and (largely non-party) political organisational issues. As well as foreign policy and some world affairs issues. So if someone posts an article how Midnight Oil is better than AC/DC, it will get deleted as it doesn\'t fit the site :)

By all means explore those issues here. Might be a good idea to start posting diaries initially until you find your \'scoop\' feet.

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Mark Hill: I\'m on it: Cam, I\'ve started a meta-diary entry and will post it here soon. A lot of it draws on my recent commentary.

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