Increasing the Churn Rate

The Westminster System is woeful in stopping incumbency. The British system has parties stay in power for close to a quarter of a century at a time, in Australia the churn rate is greater but party's remain in power often for a decade at a time. This is a failing of the Westminster system, if Australia is to persist with a parliamentary system, term limits need to be introduced to increase the churn rate of the elected representatives in order to protect against incumbency, corruption and nepotism.

Poll : Best device to increase the churn-rate?

The State of the System

Since World War II and the change over from the states being the first government to tax income to the federal government getting first lick of the pie, parties have managed to remain in power for overly long period. While not as long as parties have been able to remain in government in the United Kingdom, Australian parties have still managed to average over three terms.

As an example of how static the Australian Westminster is, this is the periods in years parties have held government starting in 1942 ;

If we look at the number of Prime Ministers that were removed by a general election the stagnation and concentration of power in the Westminster system is even worse. Of the thirteen Australian Prime Ministers since 1942, only four have been removed by an election.

The defeats that have come at general election have all been "drovers dog" election where the local three-legged cattle-dog could have beaten the incumbent government. This has led to a "waitocracy" in Australian government where opposition leaders either entrench their position in an effort to wait out the current government until their is a drovers dog election.

John Howard has often been held up for his tenaciousness in returning to the leadership of the opposition party when the Hawke and Keating governments were in power. Commonly called, "Lazarus on a triple bypass". Howard's career is a good example of the waitocracy in action. Howard managed to hang around in the leadership position long enough for the drovers dog election of 1996 to come around. Keating was seen as too arrogant and out of touch with the electorate.

If Latham entrenches himself in the opposition as well as Howard did, he will get a chance to be Prime Minister, not because of his - or his party's - abilities, but rather because the incumbent government will exhaust itself on its own power and offer a "drovers dog" election to the people where they will be seen with not having a choice for the incumbent.

Inertia To Change

Humans are adverse to change in the larger aspects of life. Humanity attempts to control its environment as an outlet of this larger aversion to change and the desire for stability. This is completely understandable given the volatile nature of modern life, modern employment and fiscal security. Add the ongoing fear campaigns by government, the media and terrorist groups - the desire for stability is entirely accepted.

In political systems this acquiescence to the appearance of stability often leads to corrupted individual hijacking a democratic system with clear separation of powers into a dictatorship with absolute rule collapsed to a singular person. The current changes in Russia under the arm-twisting of Vladimir Putin is a good example of this. Another is the manner in which Pervez Musharraf in Pakistan has managed to suspend the constitution to support his desire for absolute power.

In democracies the system is set up to balance the negative passions of humans through the principle of the separation of powers (a principle Joh Bjelke-Peterson was oblivious to when questioned by a judge). Even though this is a defence against a dictator, it is not a perfect defence and through the manipulation of other negative passions and appeals to the people's desire for stability, diffuse power can collapse into absolute power for an individual.

One of the purposes of a written and explicit constitution is to have the stability of the democracy not be personified into an individual but rather into the system itself. Leaders of the Executive Cabinet (Prime Ministers) enjoy pursuing the position as celebrity and use the trivial reporting of the news media to entrench themselves further and further into power. There is no need to seek stability through a Prime Minister remaining in the position for long periods.

Deciding Limits

From a subjective point of view governments tend to exhaust themselves after about eight years. This is also the period where the government, and the leaders start to fall into the traps of power such as corruption, abuse and nepotism. In NSW, the Bob Carr government after a long tenure has corruption allegations levelled against it that were sufficient enough for ICAC to visit the issue. Despite the Howard government's re-election there are still issues surrounding the federal government's abuse of power that have to be resolved.

To minimize this entropy that governments display, it is fitting to forcibly retire the head of the Executive Cabinet (Prime Minister and Premier) from parliament (or the assembly) after six years. This is two election periods and more than enough time for the leader of a government to have an effect in the position.

Another natural period of tenure is the generation. This is often construed to be twenty-five years. Elected officials in parliament who create legislation require specialist knowledge in legislative law. Due to party discipline most of these decisions are carried out by the Executive Cabinet, but as back-benchers move to the front-bench and possibly to lead the party then a long enough period for the specialist skills to be developed is necessary.

The period of a generation is suitably long for the specialist skills of legislation to be developed. After this period an elected official should be forced to retire by the constitution. This will be effective in putting an end to the benefits of incumbency, and has been the case of some elected officials in the US Congress, almost dying on the job. A generation is half a working lifetime, and more than enough for an elected official to make their mark on the government, serve the polity, the electorate and the common good.

Protecting Against the Rules Being Bent

Another truism of politicians is that they will bend the rules to n th degree in order to satiate their personal desire for power. In the case of the head of the Executive Cabinet being forced to retire from the position, there is the possibility that the Prime Minister would leave the position before the six years is up and hand over the party to another representative. Effectively skipping the forced retirement to remain in parliament on the front or back bench.

This would require some additional explicit language in the constitution to protect against officials weaselling out of the intent for term limiting the position. To solve this, the Prime Minister would need to be recognized in the constitution as the formative holder of Executive power. Once the Prime Minister leaves the position they will be required to retire from parliament.

Being Prime Minister is the summit of Australian political achievement, forcing retirement from parliament with the handing over of the position would not detract from that achievement. Another reason to force the Prime Minister to retire from parliament after the relinquish the position is to stop a former Prime Minister going to the back-bench just before being forcibly term-limited and staying in parliament until their twenty-five years is up.

Fixed Term Elections

A final, and the most important change in increasing the churn-rate is the implementation of fixed term elections. Supposedly governments sit for three years before an election but all governments in the Australian system constantly call early elections. The Howard Government is in its fourth term in eight years. The incumbent constantly calls elections as soon as they can, and as soon as they see electoral advantage in doing so. It is a sham.

The government should be given three years (1068 days) between each election unless there is a double dissolution election. Having fixed term elections would be the greatest benefit to democracy and the greatest challenge to the power of incumbency. Three years is more than enough for a government, there is little point in giving a government four years between periods as the they have been calling election every two and bit years anyway. Three years is enough.
cam: Addendum : What would Brian Bortano do?: Robert Manne has a soul-searching op-ed in what Labor should do to get re-elected again . Barry Jones believes that Labor should get more Whitlam/Keating like progressive and radical. Manne seems to think that progressivism is best done at the grass-roots without government interference.

I don\'t think the progressive policy platforms will get them re-elected. Hewson\'s fightback didn\'t get the Liberals in despite an electorate getting more and more fed-up with Keating. The same could be said for the recent election. Latham was progressive but despite the under-current of \"johnhowardlies.com\" and \"Not happy John\", more of the same won over anything new, progressive or even the slightest bit of change.

Beazley\'s \"small target\" re-election policy was right, but it requires the election to be a \"drovers dog\" election. It was how Howard got elected in 1996. For Labor to get re-elected, they will just have to wait until a drover dog election comes up.

Eventually the incumbent government will exhaust itself on its power, its hubris, its corruption and alienate the electorate sufficiently to get thrown out. Labor will just have to be patient and resign themselves to the waitocracy, after all - it is how Howard got in.

Until Australia re-models itself into a powerful democracy - rather than the wet-noodle of a constitution and system we have now - waiting will be the only way a party will be able to get into power through a general election.

cam
siento: Why change?: There is no need to change things. Australia has had 26 prime ministers in roughly one hundred years of federation. The average term is 4 years.

Even since 1942 Australia has had 11 prime ministers, working out at about one every 6 years.

John Howard will probably resign after this term so he will have been there about 10 years.

You argue that people shouldn\'t get in on drovers dogs elections. But churning through incumbents will create elections where there is no strong candidate for a party that has been successfully in power creates such election. For instance the 2000 campaign where there Democrats had a highly successful, experienced candidate who was not allowed to run because of laws like the ones you describe.

Other than one exceptionally long term in Australia that was caused by the failure of Labour  Party to provide strong opposition Australia has tended to change governments with reasonable regularity. Term length is not a problem.

Excessive elections may be.
cam: Change: I think there is a need to change things, the Westminster system doesnt handle entropy or the collapse of power to the centre well. Allowing an individual or party to entrench themselves in government is asking for tyranny. Especially if they think there is no check on their use of power. Having the system do its own caretaking (cronjob?) is a larger protection against that failing.

I look at the Australian system since WWII as this is when the federal government became the dominant taxing force. Since then the government has been more stagnant, especially with parties holding on to power. Any party that gets in now, has every right to expect that they will be in power for at least nine years.

You argue that people shouldn\'t get in on drovers dogs elections.

I was trying to argue that the only way parties change power in a general election is through a drovers dog election. That is in part because the electorate is risk averse and also because the Westminster gives undue advantage to the incumbent.

Having a risk adverse electorate is not necessarily a good thing. The electorate will keep a party in power long after they have turned to corruption or exhausted themselves. Having a churn rate may increase the turnover of governments, but it will increase the churn of PM\'s and legislators, giving newer blood a chance (and experience) in government and opposition.

Clinton would have wiped the floor of Kerry or Bush, but that is not necessarily a good thing in the long term. Any political position will fall into corruption and tyranny. Having term limits protects against someone like Clinton or Putin subverting the system to increase their power to be absolute.

Term length is not a problem. .. Excessive elections may be.

I think both are.

cam
siento: Other ways: Labour needs credibility. One way to think of an election is as a job application. Latham came out and said he\'d change this, change that and do this. But he had little experience. His games in the last weeks of the elections made him look reckless which pushed people toward Howard.

Labour has plenty of experienced leaders. They are premiers. Beattie for PM.
cam: Besides Joh\'s pie in the sky run: ... the only Premier I can recall having a go at federal politics was John Faye. He was a populist Liberal leader in the same mould as Bob Hawke. Easygoing, country town solicitor who had played for the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs.

When he got to the federal level he got some front-bench position, but he had to mouth out the arguments of Hewson\'s/Howards. ie being on message. When he was Premier we listened to his messages, because they were his. As a portfolio manager he got to mouth out the opposition leader messages. It diminished him.

I think Premiers dont translate to federal politics for that reason. Apart from the fact they have already been given a run (often for too long) at the state level as well.

I have no problem with the electorate being risk-averse, I tried to argue in the article that it is natural for voters to be risk averse. When humanity can control an aspect of their volatile lives they will seek to stabilise it. I just dont think it is good for democracy or liberty.

There should be a base minimum of change that the system enforces on parties and politicians in order to protect itself. Call it pre-emptive house cleaning to stop tyranny, corruption and nepotism.

cam
monkeymind: Fixed Terms: Minium 4 years.

The closer to 7 the better.
cam: Periods between elections or: term limits on a political position? I think you mean elections, right? 7 years is a bit long between elections. Even four is too long, as it is they call an election after two and a bit years simply because they can. Howard has had four elections in eight years.

cam
monkeymind: Period between elections: one of the problems I see at the moment is that we have elections too often. Because things have to be \'on the up\' come poll time, any initiave that would take more than two years to see benefits will have trouble being implemented.

Longer terms give parties a better chance to plan and  will force a more long term view.

On the subject of limits on a political position i fell that a time limit is needed. Public office should be something that a person does for a period of their life, not all of it. 15-20 years seesm about right to me. Long enough to \'make your mark\' but not a job for life.

Term Limiting of the Venezuelan Executive

The President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, raised the possibility that he may seek a referendum so that he may be elected President longer than the Venezuelan constitution allows. Venezuela's constitution was only instituted in 1999, so it is a bit premature to be changing it.

From the BBC article;

During his [Chavez'] weekly TV show on Sunday, he announced he was thinking of calling a referendum to allow him to run for another term in the 2012 elections.

Mr Chavez, who faces re-election this year, said he did not fear competition.

Mr Chavez was first elected in 1998 and then again in 2000 after the approval of a constitution under which he is barred from running in 2012.

He insisted he would allow the Venezuelan people to vote on the issue.

"If there is no opposition candidate, I would consider signing a decree to hold a referendum asking 'Do you agree Chavez should be allowed to seek a new term?' and let's let the people decide."

Sounds to me like the people decided a mere seven years ago - of which term limiting is IMNSHO a wise addition to a constitution.

This is the Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela [Beware a printer pop-up]. From Article 230;

The presidential term is six years. The President of the Republic may be re-elected, immediately and once only, to an additional term.

There are some other restrictions on who can run for the Executive position including not being a member of the clergy, or being in certain public office such as Vice-President, Minister, Governor or Mayor at the time of announcing candidacy.

Six years is overly generous anyway.

So what is the referendum process for Venezuela? From Article 71;

Matters of special national transcendence may be referred to a consultative referendum, on the initiative of the President of the Republic, taken at a meeting of the Cabinet;

by resolution of the National Assembly, passed by a majority vote;

or at the request of a number of voters constituting at least 10% of all voters registered on the national, civil and electoral registry.

Matters of special state, municipal and parish transcendence may also be referred to a consultative referendum.

The initiative shall be taken by the Parish Board, the Municipal Council and to the Legislative Council, by the vote of two third of its members; by the Mayor and the Governor or by a number of voters constituting at least 10% of the total number of voters registered in the pertinent circumscription.

Some crowd wisdom aspects there where ten percent of the voting population can bring an initiative to referenda. The President and National Assembly can also.

I get nervous once members of the Executive start talking about changing term limits. Especially in this case; as the paint is barely dry on the Venezuelan constitution.
avocadia: Chavez and Nuisance Referenda:

I can\'t say as I was at all shocked when I first heard Chavez would seek a change to the constitution. The man is halfway through the process that Mugabe is at the end of.

The idea of citizen-initiated referenda is well enough and all, but I can see how it could be subverted to paralysing a government. All the opposition needs to do is get together a regular ten percent of the population to put up nuisance referenda time and time again. You\'d have to have some kind of circuit-breaker to prevent a disruptive opposition group from tying up the country in such.
Alan: Chavez: I would hope Chavez does not seek an extension of his own term. I do not see him as the answer to all Venezuela\'s problems. I think presidents like Kirchner and Lula are significantly better for their peoples. Chavez, however, is a much better answer to Venezuela\'s problems than the neoliberal governments that preceded him and which Washngton would like to see back in power.

Comparing him to Mugabe is a charge not even the Bush claque have raised. He\'s been elected twice in processes certified by international observers. He\'s fought off a coup. He\'s a vigourous opponent of the Bush vision for Latin America. Those are much better explanations for the allegations against him than anything boring like reality.
avocadia: Mugabe comparison:

Wow, deja vu. It only seems like yesterday that I was defending Chavez from charges of anti-semitism and suggesting the ugly reality is better reason to dislike him than making shit up.

Robert Mugabe came to power from elections, elections won after international observers forced previous elections to be voided when certain political parties were forbidden to enter. Robert Mugabe instituted a whole series of social programs  to aid the under-privileged in his society. Robert Mugabe passed legislation that allows his supporters to confiscate land. Robert Mugabe doesn\'t have to deal with term limits and Robert Mugabe has had international observers certify his elections, although to be fair everyone laughs at those particular observers.

Meanwhile, Chavez won elections a few years after failing to take government in a military coup - if he had been toppled by a coup I would have called it karma. Chavez\'s government confiscates land. I seem to remember they pay some nominal fee, but let\'s call a spade a spade, it is confiscation.  I have no doubt at all that seven or eight years from now, Chavez will be rigging elections just like Mugabe.

Saying Chavez a better answer to his predecessors is like saying lung cancer is better than skin cancer.
cam: citizen initiated referenda: I agree that it shouldn\'t allow a referendum to be instituted on that alone. Having a bicameral parliament or assembly ratify the referendum would be wiser. Though, even with a formal constitution, tyrants and dictators subvert the norms first while basking in the glow of legitimacy a constitution and democratic system gives.

cam
Alan: Mugabe comparison: Mugabe rejects election observers. Chavez accepts them including delegations from the EU and the respected Carter Center. On the 2004 recall election, the Carter Center found

On Aug. 27, Venezuelan electoral authorities confirmed President Hugo Chavez\'s victory in the referendum. Though there were accusations of fraud by the opposition, the final official results totaled 59.25 percent for Chavez, 40.74 percent against. The Carter Center participated in an audit of the votes (see final report above) and concluded the results were accurate.

Land reform is a complex issue, notable and successful examples include the land reforms carried out in Japan and South orea by the US occupation. Merely saying that Chavez is carrying out land reform does not make him Mugabe. You have to look at the detals of the program and the way it is carried out.

You might also like to look at what Chavistas have to say about themselves, for instance at Oil Wars .

I don\'t think there\'s a lot of substance in comparing non-existent observers in Zimbabwe to the EU and the Carter Center. Venezuelan democracy is mixed and uneven, but it is nowhere near the dictatorship and denial of human rights that prevails in Zimbabwe.
avocadia: The Observers:

The election observers in Zimbabwe were from South Africa - I don\'t mention this as a way uf suggesting credentials, merely noting that they do indeed exist. Then again, the Carter Centre refused to sign off on the 2000 elections and it has been noted that the audit process was still not one hundred transparent in 2004.

You may wish to note how I said Chavez is at an earlier stage of the process of moving from Populist to Tyrant. It may well turn out I am wrong and he totters off the stage at some stage, but seeking to make laws - even one law - apply to everyone but himself is not a good sign for such hope.
adam: Pro-Chavez op-ed from the Guardian: By \"Red\" Ken Livingstone . Argues Chavez is a welfare state building social democrat. Full literacy in ten years eh? Hmm.

Ken\'s been a pretty good Mayor of London, which inevitably involved a fair amount of shmoozing with businessmen. I wonder if this sort of outspoken foreign policy commentary (he\'s also taken stands quite critical of Israel) is a way of burnishing his lefty credentials.

Executive Term Limits in Parliamentary Systems

In a republican context term limits on the executive and legislative is usually framed from the perspective of liberty. Relatively frequent changes of position stop politicians remaining too long and becoming entrenched in the position and estranged from their electorate and popular will. The balance is to make the changes frequent enough to protect liberty, but infrequent enough to enable competence.

The Killfile argued today for term limits from the perspective of good executive governance. His argument is that leaders who stay too long in parliamentary systems destroy the electoral capability of an opposing party. Maybe we could call it the Menzies effect.

From the Killfile:

Still, I think there is an argument to be made for a fixed limit in the top job. The premiers all gave it about ten years before handing over the reigns, which probably means that ten years is too long. Something a little less might be more appropriate.

If NSW is a good example with the Independent Commission Against Corruption [ICAC] both Greiner and Carr were being investigated before the eight year mark, so approximately six to eight years is the optimum for a party leader to provide good governance before the temptations of power catch up with them. As adam noted in the past; term limits save politicians from themselves.

Killfile leans to eight years with four year election cycles, similar to what NSW has:

If we accept that Howard has achieved anything, then he probably would have achieved it all in eight years, if he knew that was all he had.

Importantly, though, he would know that he came with a used-by date, and toward the end of that second term he would have been actively auditioning for a replacement.

There had to be a transition (to a new head of the party, rather than necessarily to a new Prime Minister, as that would be up to the electorate), so it likely would have been planned and orderly.

Interested parties could have used the time to express their interest, and start making the electorate aware of what they stood for (does anyone seriously know what Peter Costello stands for, even now?).

I think three years is the optimum, the two years of the American Congress is too short, and the four years of NSW parliament is too long. Three years is a good balance. Six years in the top executive position is enough for a leader to make their mark and I agree with Killfile that orderly transition from that period would improve governance.

It would stop the fiasco of Keating taking power where an obvious talent was backbenched, it would also alleviate the Costello situation where a Prime Minister has refused to loose the reigns even when they appear to be in a hopeless position. It is a bit more difficult with Howard however; as until recently he was electorally competitive.

I prefer term limits from the republican point of view and protecting liberty while keeping representatives close to their electorate. It is easier to term limit a separate executive IMO. Harder to do with a parliamentary executive which is more informal than a separate one. For instance the PM is not mentioned in the Australian Constitution at all.

I like the idea of limited the Prime Minister and Premier to two terms or six years. I also like limiting legislators to twenty-five years of service. It is a generation in length and if they haven't achieved anything by then the system should kick them out.
avocadia: I think the United States for the period 1996-2006, particularly the last five years, might act as a counter-argument for the idea that term limits might somehow prevent opposition parties from slipping into a torpor of electoral incompetence. The Democrats are a dire, dour party of hacks that only appear vital and credible when a bright light is shone upon Congress and the Republicans don't scurry under the fridge quickly enough.

At heart, I have lingering concerns that artificially restricting the choices in a vote is undemocratic. Drawing from my own observations, I wish we still had Bob Carr around; Morris Iemma is really just the lesser of many banalities of all parties.
adam: Can't remember if we've discussed this before, but to me a constitutional term limit is fundamentally democratic because it embodies a faith in the machinery of government over any one leader. Thanks a lot, sorry to see you go, but it's ok, we'll get along fine.
avocadia: We have, and that was the opinion expressed at the time. I kind of agree, but the whole thing still feels hinky to me.

Term Limits Redux - Do They Improve The Political Process

Given that on this site; southsearepublic.org, I have advocated for several political, structural and organizational changes over the last eight years, it probably does good to revisit them and see if those suggestions have been bearing fruit in the real world. One of the positions I advocated for was term limits.

In the parliamentary system I argued for putting term limits on the Prime Minister (or Premier) at the Australian federal and state level. Additionally I argued for term limits on the legislature as well;

Another natural period of tenure is the generation. This is often construed to be twenty-five years. Elected officials in parliament who create legislation require specialist knowledge in legislative law. Due to party discipline most of these decisions are carried out by the Executive Cabinet, but as back-benchers move to the front-bench and possibly to lead the party then a long enough period for the specialist skills to be developed is necessary.

The period of a generation is suitably long for the specialist skills of legislation to be developed. After this period an elected official should be forced to retire by the constitution. This will be effective in putting an end to the benefits of incumbency, and has been the case of some elected officials in the US Congress, almost dying on the job. A generation is half a working lifetime, and more than enough for an elected official to make their mark on the government, serve the polity, the electorate and the common good.

In the United States there were twenty one states which enacted term limits on the legislature. Not all stuck with it, six states repealed the term limits, leaving fifteen states (2012) with term limits of varying lengths. The limit in years is generally 8 years though some states only place a consecutive limit on those years. For instance a representative can retire due to term limits, wait one election cycle and then be eligible again. This is similar to how the Virginian Governor is term limited.

Scholars have been looking at the performance of those legislatures and seeing what the effects are since most of the forced turn over started in 1996 and 1998 when large numbers of legislators became ineligible.

One of the goals of term limits was to make the legislature more open to citizen legislators who would balance the need for laws that citizens must follow rather than the laws by a professional politician who has access to power and is less fearful of laws and their effects. However, research by political scholars has shown that the professional nature of politics and the institutions has not changed with state term limits.

Another goal of term limits was to stymie entrenched corruption, but again this is proving more an inherent part of the institution and the history of the institution than it is an organizational change. External factors are more in play on the issues of corruption than anything else. It also assumes that incoming representatives would not be corrupt either. I could not find any empirical evidence to support either of these assumptions resolutely.

Unfortunately the books that constitute the knowledge on term limits are either in paper form or behind paywalls, so it is difficult to link to, or read online. However in "It's even worse than it looks", the authors summarize the findings with:

Term limits did not usher in a new era of citizen legislators. They neither altered the characteristics of those elected to office nor dissuaded them from pursuing other elected offices, building professional careers in politics, or becoming lobbyists.

If anything the limits amplified the corrosive effects of ambition on the legislators, who focused from day one on how best to use their limited time as a springboard to their next post. ... leave[ing] the long-term mess to their next wave of successors.

and;

Term limited legislators actually became less beholden to their constituents in their geographical districts and more attentive to other interests. And term-limited legislatures were less productive and less innovative in the policies they formed.

One upside was that the term limited legislators at the state level have started seeking office at the national level, more so than un-term limited state legislators, so their limited state experience is translating to the national level. That aside, it appears from empirical evidence it is a bad idea, especially the way it was implemented at the American state level.

So to recap, I advocated for term limiting the Prime Minister of Premier in parliamentary systems. The findings with term limits in US legislatures don't cover that with empirical evidence. However I also advocated that legislators should have term limits of twenty-five years. The evidence points to term limits on legislators producing less than optimal outcomes, especially in Washington system of government.

However, term limits are popular, the US state term limits came through popular ballot (referendum in Australian political language). Citizen legislators appear to be a popular mythology and our political systems will be populated with professional politicians - who seem to do a better job at policy and legislating anyway.

It is possible that one way to give professional politicians enough time to legislate while balancing the popular demand for term limits is the twenty five year rule. Evidence points to no term limits being the simpler and better idea. Hence I am dropping it as a position which I think will produce better political outcomes.

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